Old Phil Collins

**Nikk** · January 17th, 2004, 06:52 PM

I cannot stop listening to the Phil Collins tune "I cannot believe it's true" from his 'Hello, I Must Be Going' record. The groove he lays down on this tune is so deep. It also features the Phoenix horn section from EWF. Please search this tune out if you guys aren't familiar.

**FuseU1** · January 17th, 2004, 07:50 PM

Phil can groove, man.
While not in the Weckluta league...but he has some chops & nice ideas & grooves...the early Genesis thru Duke was great [& dare i say it: even much of the 'pop-Gen.' is good]...Wind & Wuthering was fantastic 4 that genre & style [check out 'Wot Gorilla,' & 'Unquiet Slumber...'], AWA '& Then There Were 3,' etc etc...some of that stuff he did w Brand X was killer, too; too many to mention, but check the album 'Is There Anything About' 4 1 [title track] - groovin like a mutha...[Mike Clarke & Chuck Burgi kicked butt w BX AW; & i'd be remiss if i did not say that Bruford did a fantastic job on Gen. Second's Out live Cinemashow also]. I have all this stuff on VINYL...i need to get it on disc....

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**Clintuplet** · January 17th, 2004, 11:51 PM

Both of you guys on are the money. Phil used to have some serious ability, (better groove, musical chops, odd time playing w/Brand X) but for some reason his playing became thinner than his hair. His playing on the 'Buddy' tribute with Smith and Chambers is weak IMO. I like the two albums he did with Robert Plant: Pictures at Eleven and Principle of Moments. Good rock playing on both. Check 'em out.

**beat Hit** · January 18th, 2004, 01:56 AM

[img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img] for Phil's playing!! On Second Out, listen to Firth Of Fifth... [img]biggrin.gif[/img] [img]biggrin.gif[/img] (Well... Chester starts it out, but Phil joins in)

Phil is a drummer who managed to develop his own style, easily recognisable, well using Concerto Toms may have a little to do with it... [img]wink.gif[/img] But not really...

As FUSE said, William Bruford on Cinema Show is thrilling to say the least...

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**ashio nz** · January 18th, 2004, 08:24 PM

'Nursery Crime' & 'Foxtrot' are also great examples of his work. So intricate, the odd time stuff is seamless.

**mja61** · January 18th, 2004, 10:03 PM

I always thought Phil was one of the best, and most underrated drummers in popular music (along with Danny Seraphine, my first drum hero). I agree that his drumming on that Buddy Rich video was weak, but he was out of his element. I would probably not mistake Phil's groove for Gadd's or Porcaro's, but it's always very "comfortable"...never stiff or rushed.

When I was just starting to take formal lessons, my teacher (who was an incredible player and wise teacher) had the chart for "Cannot Believe It's True." I was in about 5th or 6th grade at the time, and didn't really "get" that tune at first. My teacher insisted that I give it a chance and try to get through the entire chart. It took me several weeks to work through the whole thing, but I only had to get about half-way through the first page before I really began to understand why it was such a great tune and a great drum part--especially those one-bar fills leading into the choruses and bridge. It's still one of my favorites to listen to and play along with....almost 20 years later!

"No Reply At All" is another great tune and one of his best performances. Other favorites: "I Missed Again," "Just a Job to Do," "Abacab," I could go on and on, but let me recommend one album in particular: Eric Clapton's "August." It reminds me of Toto IV--almost every single tune is great and the drumming is never boring.

**benrand** · January 18th, 2004, 11:18 PM

Phil and his band used to get played on MTV during this period. There is an EXCELLENT live video of this show but I haven't been able to find it. There is one tune on it where Phill just grooves, I don't remember it but I hear the flammy groove in my head. Plus he sings and plays In the Air Tonight which is pretty incredible considering he takes it out in the last section.

Chester is no slouch either. Was watching A+E this AM and there was a Genesis on that I'd never seen.

If you can find the Mama tour video, get it, it's really good and it has the drum duet and it is just killer. they do a medley of the old tunes and I still am amazed at Phil's playing on Slippermen off The Lamb. That ride pattern is blazing. chester plays great on this video too.

**FuseU1** · January 19th, 2004, 10:01 PM

...& don't 4get "Follow You, Follow Me"...nice groove on that 1 AW [img]wink.gif[/img]
I always felt that Genesis was ahead of the pool in the early prog rock veign...conceptually, they were beyond the other bands associated w the genre [xcept 4 maybe Yes; just different]...& that monster, epic, grandiose sound that they had...they weren't a chops band AMA it was their writing & approach, in the more classical & prog rock influenced veign AOT the jazz thing.
...& what a uniquely identifiable & emotive voice there was in "Fill."

[AMA = "as much as"
AOT = "as opposed to"
ended up typin' it out, & more, ANYWAY [img]wink.gif[/img]

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